Karen and Nick Woodall

Bound and Gagged: Silencing the Lived Experience of Children of Divorce and Separation

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I am back in the UK where, this weekend, I forced myself to watch Ed Thomas’s programme ‘Mums on the Run, Failed by The Family Courts. Having watched about ten minutes, it became clear that it was simply following the pattern of so many similar reports that have gone before. Like a well worn script from a soap opera, the line by line repetition of the women’s rights narrative, appears to have been accepted uncritically by BBC Special Reporter, Ed Thomas.

Initially, the programme held a weird sort of fascination, not because of the content, but because of the apparent absence of curiosity about the origin of these stories from the programme makers. I had imagined that a special reporter would want to thoroughly investigate such troubling stories, particularly when the mothers he had been talking to have abducted their children. I was, therefore, unsure why the programme did not seek a much wider perspective, for example by speaking with the children’s fathers (who were portrayed uncritically, and without exception, as monstrous), or speaking with professionals who work with such families. I wondered why he did not want to hear from social workers, solicitors, barristers and judges who are tasked with managing such cases or from organisations like Reunite or Missing Children Europe, who work with the consequences of child abduction.

The apparent absence of any curiosity, plus the repetitive, alarmist narrative which is so typical in this arena, left the reporter looking like a man who had been successfully triangulated into an ongoing campaign to hide the reality of this form of child abuse and the appalling harm it does to children’s healthy development.

Hopeful that he may be interested in hearing other perspectives on this story, and the evidence of what happens to many children of divorce and separation, I wrote to Ed Thomas on Monday of last week. I invited him to meet with some of the emotionally and psychologically abused children I have worked with over the past decade, who are now over the age of 18, to hear directly from them about the harm they have suffered at the hands of their parents (both mothers and fathers) and how protection from that parent (aka residence transfer), brought healing to their lives. I also invited him to meet with some of the mothers I work with whose children are rejecting them in the face of coercively controlling fathers; mothers whose children reject them vehemently and who express terror and fear of them, even though they have not done anything to warrant such a reaction.

Ed Thomas initially responded expressing an interest in the case studies I was offering. On Wednesday therefore, I replied, asking him (amongst other things) to confirm that he had, in fact, seen evidence of the conviction of a child rapist; a man who campaigners claim (and he had reported), a child was sent to live with by the Family Court. I explained that, If this claim is true, then it is, indeed, a serious and deeply concerning matter. Ed didn’t reply to my email and I haven’t heard from him since.

Perhaps Ed is too busy to confirm he has seen the conviction. Perhaps he is not interested in hearing the lived experiences of children, or mothers and fathers whose children have been abducted. Perhaps he is simply an unwitting victim of a campaign that is based on assertion and allegation, a campaign which is attempting to silence the lived experience of children of divorce and separation by binding their needs and wellbeing into the rights of mothers. Mothers who in some cases have been found in Court to have harmed their children, in others, mothers who have murdered their child.

At the end of last week, the real purpose of this triangulation made itself apparent with the release, by several of the well known women’s rights campaign groups, of their demands which are –

a) ban all use of the label ‘parental alienation’

b) ban anyone who works with the issue of alienation of children (regulated or otherwise)

c) an immediate cessation of removal of children from parents who cause harm (residence transfer)

d) have everyone working in the family courts trained in domestic abuse

These demands, campaigners say, are in pursuit of overhauling the family courts to stop what they are calling ‘the pro-contact’ culture.

Every campaign has to have campaign aims and in the light of the ideological framework they are set in, these demands are understandable even if I disagree with them and even if the first one (to ban the use of the label parental alienation) is a little behind the times given the President’s recent guidance.

The demand for an immediate cessation of removal of children from parents who cause harm (residence transfer) and a review of all past residence transfers (presumably including those where mothers have been found to have used coercive control against children and fathers), is the logical outcome of a group of campaigners who do not recognise the authority of the Judiciary and by virtue of that, the law of the land, and a belief system which does not accept anything or anyone who goes against it.

This recent campaign strategy, which seeks to portray child abduction as a necessary consequence of a family court system that they say is not fit for purpose is very concerning. Resting upon the testimony of mothers who have abducted their children and alarmist claims that convicted child rapists are being given custody of children (claims which are yet to be verified by anyone including Ed Thomas), and relying upon the confidentiality rules which govern the Family Court to enable hearsay to be put forward as evidence, this campaign asks the public to believe that something untoward is happening in the Family Courts in England and Wales.

The use of mothers who have abducted their children to Northern Cyprus, who say they been subjected to domestic abuse, is to (presumably) persuade the public of the need for a radical rethink of the Family Courts and yet all we have is the say so of a handful of women who have abducted their children. The real-world problem this campaign faces, therefore, is that there is no evidence, there are no findings, there are no judgments and no convictions and so there is no way of testing the veracity of what is being presented. Which means that the campaign is in real terms, asking the public to believe without question, women who have abducted their children, who have Interpol Red Notices attached to their names, individuals who are considered in law, to be criminals.

Real world management of such matters relies upon evidence to determine facts not the say so of those who abduct children and the law as it currently stands does too. This binary, manufactured fight over domestic abuse and ‘parental alienation’, is therefore simply a distraction from the reality of what is happening to children of divorce and separation and it is seeking to hide the harm which is caused when children are triangulated into adult matters. If anything untoward has been happening in the Family Courts in England and Wales (as in so many countries around the world for many decades), it is that the suffering of children at the hands of their mothers and fathers in divorce and separation, is not well enough understood.

Even in a legal system which relies heavily upon the voice of the child, the authentic voices of children are often ignored in favour of those which mirror the views of their parents. This is unfortunate because in fact, everything which is needed to help children of divorce and separation exists in the psychological literature both historical and contemporary. The trauma literature explains the problem of children’s alignment and rejection extraordinarily well and it also gives clear directions on treatment. In Ed Thomas’s programme for example, a now teenage son says that, having been abducted to Northern Cyprus, he is safe from stress, this is accepted without question by the programme makers and yet the trauma literature demonstrates that children of all ages, will seek to regulate a parent by mirroring what they know is necessary in order to keep themselves safe in the care of a parent who feels frightening or out of control.

The fight in the UK about ‘parental alienation’ as a label or a theory, is quite simply a red herring and this programme swallows it whole. The court system, at least in England and Wales, is not focused upon parental alienation as a label, it is focused upon whether a child is being emotionally or psychologically harmed and whether their best interests are being compromised because of that. Which is decided by Judges who weigh the evidence, not the say so of campaigners. And so, whilst this fight continues over the rights of mothers, the needs of children, for relational continuity, for good enough parenting, for the presence of those upon whom they rely for healthy development, are once again overshadowed by adult demands.

The campaign launched last week, which appears to have triangulated the makers of this programme, is, as part of a longer term strategy, designed to distract attention from the real issue, which is that mothers as well as fathers manipulate their children in divorce and separation and mothers as well as fathers cause their children harm. In the midst of this, children of divorce and separation are being bound and gagged again, by an ideology which has no place in child protection and which seeks to overturn legal systems because its proponents believe that they know better than every authority in the land.

In the shadow of this latest eruption of what turned out to be another round of hearsay, the work to articulate the experience of children of divorce and separation and to hear their authentic voices and meet their needs, continues.

NB I end this post with a quote from Missing Children Europe a non partisan, pan European Child Welfare Organisation –

The arbitrary removal or retention of a child abroad is not only a violation of the other parent’s custody rights, it is first and foremost a violation of the child’s rights….


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Designed for those who have undertaken HUAHM, this course is an intensive depth exploration of trauma responsive strategies for helping alienated children to heal from the harms they have suffered. Building on the introduction to mentalisation skills which are used in HUAHM, this course repairs the reactive splitting suffered by parents in the rejected position and enables the use of a range of skills to assist children in reconnection and repair of the internalised schisms which are caused by self alienation and alienation from loved ones in divorce and separation.

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8 responses to “Bound and Gagged: Silencing the Lived Experience of Children of Divorce and Separation”

  1. lynnsteinbergphd

    Hi Karen. Another great article, thank you. As one of the practitioners this Violence Against Women group is seeking to eliminate, I am sickened by how the pendulum has swung. Now they are the abusers as they claim men are and have been historically . They have forced us back into the dark ages as far as the attacks go and the damage this causes children.
    I would love to attend your California conference in March so please keep me on your list.

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  2. Karen Woodall: “Bound and Gagged (by the BBC): Silencing the Lived Experience of Children of Divorce and Separation” | Justice for Men & Boys

    […] Interesting, the loathsome BBC up to its usual disinformation. […]

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  3. Bärbel Hellstern

    This strategy exists in other countries as well. They abuse court cases that are actually serious alienation cases and in which children are paraded in the media for their own purposes. The activists even manage to use well-known scientists for their purposes. In the meantime, we have reached a climax that must soon topple over. Their attacks are too obvious. Unfortunately, in the meantime, they manage to divide science and politics. A real danger for our democracy.

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  4. mnsmith882

    Hi Karen, I also wrote to the “journalist” you mention explaining my own situation, I purposely use gender neutral terminology whenever possible to avoid selection bias, to date there has been no reply, he’s clearly very busy. I also took the liberty of sharing your blog post on social media and this prompted a response from a person who (allegedly) had been alienated as a child, they were saddened to read the nonsense and also says they had written to the “journalist” without response.

    I feel the missing part to this situation is the telling of the stories of the rejecting child and the rejected parent. There is a young lady who (again allegedly) was in the position of rejecting a parent who now has a you tube channel and campaigns to raise the profile of this issue

    It would be good to get an investigative journalist to gather a story from this angle and tell the other side.

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    1. Willow

      I suspect you were lucky even to get a response to your original contact with Ed Thomas , Karen. (I also suspect that I’m not the only one who has received nothing at all from the BBC, Ed Thomas, Colin Murray (Radio 5 Live), Dr Delgarno (SHERA) or from Manchester University itself).

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  5. Joanna Malinga

    I am more than happy to share my experience of severe alienation from the oldest children and abduction of the younger two by their father. I am sick to my core of this type of triangulation, as you call it Karen. There is nothing but truth in every word you are saying.

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  6. Willow

    Karen, maybe you’d have more luck with Colin Murray (Radio 5 Live) who did an exclusive interview with Dr Elizabeth Delgarno (SHERA) and has invited her back in a few weeks time for further update on her ‘pet cause’. (It could do with a balanced argument!) https://www.shera-research.com/resources/dr-dalgarno-talks-to-colin-murray-on-bbc-radio-5-live-about-the-england-study

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    1. karenwoodall

      Thanks Willlow, I will see if Colin has the integrity to listen. K

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